Jon is sad. 
Jon is not going to Essen. 
Brian is happy. 
Brian is going to Essen.
Brian and Jon need to work together on their New Game from five24 Labs, Mint Cooperative. 
Jon is happy about this.
Brian reminds Jon he is going to Essen
Jon is now sad again
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Thank you for listening to our 100k download special, please check out the show notes below to find out more about Jon and Brian's new game, coming to kickstarter
Links of Notes 
http://mintcooperative.com/
https://five24labs.com/
https://twitter.com/jongilmour
https://twitter.com/brianlewisgames
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Richard is joined by Dan Alexander, head of Intrepid Games and designer of Lander, a games coming to Kickstarter next year, but approaching their campaign remarkably differently from the norm. 
We chat about his approach, and how to play his game as well and I hope you enjoy the episode. 
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https://www.facebook.com/Landerthegame/
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/264948/lander
https://twitter.com/Landerthegame
https://www.landerthegame.com/
https://www.landerthegame.com/play-before-you-pledge
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Oh Dear. That header is really small isn't it? 
Neilan Naicker from my 15th favourite tabletop podcast Boardgame Barrage joins me to not talk about tabletop. We talk about my favourite videogame, The Last of Us, which Neilan was involved in. Then we mention tabletop for a little bit, in the form of being jealous of Paula Deming and Matthew Jude because they are awesome, and then we chat about one question. That's about it. But we had fun. 
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https://www.instagram.com/boardgamebarrage/
https://www.facebook.com/aboardgamebarrage/
https://twitter.com/brdgamebarrage
https://www.youtube.com/boardgamebarrage
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Richard is joined by Stevie Allan and Ross Glover, the designers of 1 Survives. A tale of escaping from a Horror Movie Fiend through quick and inventive card play. 
We talk about the inception of 1 Survives, why the team chose a simple card game, and why Ross is now a self proclaimed expert in card stock. 
Hope you enjoy the episode and please don't have nightmares. 
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https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/267218/1-survives
https://www.instagram.com/1survives/
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Richard is joined by Author, Teacher and Life Coach Glen Binger to chat about his inspirations, his creative journey, and teaching in the modern age.
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My boy Aron West is in the house to talk about Catacombs Cubes, which is live on Kickstarter and moves from dexterity to building, so I don't need to worry about flicking anymore. 
Its great to have him back on the show, and I hope you all give it a listen and check out the campaign in the links below. 
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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/elzra/catacombs-cubes
https://elzra.com/
https://www.facebook.com/elzragames/
https://twitter.com/ElzraGames
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/260694/catacombs-cubes
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Richard is joined by Jeremy Falger to talk about the success of Untamed, what you do after a kickstarter, and their plan going forward in bringing tabletop into business. 
 
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https://www.grumpyowlgames.com/
https://www.facebook.com/grumpyowlgames/
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/grumpyowlgames/untamed-feral-factions/posts
https://twitter.com/grumpyowlgames
 
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In my continuing quest to make myself sound as stupid as possible, I am joined by the highly intelligent, articulate and dapper gentleman, Dr Sam Illingworth. We discuss the use of tabletop games in order to spark scientific discussion. Environmental policies in relation to the continuing changing political climate and the responsibility of boardgame designers in relation to sustainability. 
We chat a little about Carbon City Zero, coming to Kickstarter on the 9th September. Which is all about running your own city and pushing it towards being as Carbon Free as possible. 
Please check out the links below. 
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www.samillingworth.com
https://twitter.com/samillingworth
Link to the Manchester Game Studies Network: https://www.manchestergamestudies.org/
Manchester Game Studies Network on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MGSNwork
Link to recent scientific paper using Catan to discuss global warming: https://jcom.sissa.it/archive/18/04/JCOM_1804_2019_A04
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Richard is joined by Michael and Andrew (but no James) from Stone Bones Games to talk about their first Kickstarter, TALK, YOU FIEND! which is a game about using ridiculous things to make people talk.  
Special Shout Out to James Stone, who couldn't be on the show, and another shout out to the gardener who decided by MOWING REALLY LOUDLY, they had to be on the show. 
Check out the link to the kickstarter in the show notes below. 
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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/stonebonesgames/talk-you-fiend
www.instagram.com/andyswains
www.twitter.com/andyswains
www.twitter.com/stonebonesgames
stonebonesgames.com
 
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This was edited really quickly so apologies for any potential roughness. 
Delighted to be joined by Gavan Brown of Roxley Game Laboratory, and my new personal Hero, Manny Trembley, as we talk about their hit it out of the park Kickstarter, "Dice Throne Adventures & Season 1 Re-Rolled" 
There is still time to check out the campaign which you can find by clicking the links below. 
Links of Notes 
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dicethrone/dice-throne-adventures-and-season-one-rerolled
https://dicethrone.backerkit.com/hosted_preorders/
https://roxley.com/about-us/
https://www.facebook.com/roxleygames/
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgamepublisher/21765/roxley
https://twitter.com/roxleygames
 
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Richard is joined by Dan Ackerman, Senior Managing Editor of the technology website CNET.com, to chat about his upcoming Kickstarter, Techlandia, a tale of PR, technology and the greater mythic gods. We chat about his past, how he came up with the idea for the game and why you should consider backing the game. 
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https://danackerman.com/techlandia
https://danackerman.com/
https://www.cnet.com/profiles/dan_ackerman/ 
https://twitter.com/danackerman
 
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Richard is joined by Chris Whitpan, host of the YouTube talk show Game All Nite, which is his fun video chat show, where he chats with some of the biggest names in tabletop. We chat about his professional life involved in restaurants and his love of being the host, and how that fermented into an idea of Game All Nite. 
It's a fun chat, and Chris is a great guest and I hope you enjoy our chat..
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https://www.gameallniteshow.com/
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMnS4X53t-3tUe0rFDDgfKg
https://www.facebook.com/gameallniteshow/
https://boardgamegeek.com/guild/3134
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Richard and Owen chat about the weather, and progress on The Board Game Book (which is a really good read) and where you go from there really. We find out what the plans are for the future and we never really mentioned Boris Johnson once. 
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Richard is joineed by Dan Letzring and Nicholas Yu, the partners in crime behind Adventure Tactics, a stunning looking tactical games inspired by Final Fantasy and looking sweet. And I like the look of it a LOT..
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https://twitter.com/yutingxiang 
http://zucchinipeoplegames.com/ 
https://www.letimangames.com/ 
https://www.letimangames.com/adventure-tactics.html 
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Richard is joined by Chris and Lindsey from Behind the Box, who run a wonderful, charming and entertaining YouTube channel all about games and cooking and its all just glorious and so check out their content. 
And I did cut out a game title in the editing process. I think. But please. Check out their show and look out for the blooper!!
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